Comments on: The Good, The Bad & The David Dein http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/ Sat, 19 May 2012 02:59:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Wenger's Immortals http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17257 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:24:35 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17257 Waleed, I hate people who constantly point to Wenger arriving because of David Dein. Yes, Dein brought Arsene to Arsenal but it's as if all the recent success we've had was just down to Dein and nothing else. Give Wenger some credit for the work he has done! Dein loves himself and loves being in the spotlight. How often do you see Abramovich in the headlines? Or the Glaziers for that matter? Waleed, I hate people who constantly point to Wenger arriving because of David Dein. Yes, Dein brought Arsene to Arsenal but it’s as if all the recent success we’ve had was just down to Dein and nothing else.

Give Wenger some credit for the work he has done!

Dein loves himself and loves being in the spotlight.

How often do you see Abramovich in the headlines? Or the Glaziers for that matter?

]]> by: Alban http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17215 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:28:14 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17215 I agree Les with you, I dont want Dein back, we are just ok for now, and Arsenal's future is brighter than Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool's future.Last year Henry and RVP were injured( not Roonie and Ronaldo, Drogba and Lampard or Gerrard and Kuyt), and also remeber that we beat Man U(twice) and Liverpool (3 times), with a little bit of luck we can finish above Man U and Liverpool and perhaps Chelsea and win it. I would never want a russian to takeover Arsenal. Dein just wants to jeopardize the great start of the season we had. He could of sold his shares months ago, but he did it after a fantastick team play against sparta. Dein sorry, But some things just have to end, and why dont you try to takeover some russian club if you like them so much. I agree Les with you, I dont want Dein back, we are just ok for now, and Arsenal’s future is brighter than Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool’s future.Last year Henry and RVP were injured( not Roonie and Ronaldo, Drogba and Lampard or Gerrard and Kuyt), and also remeber that we beat Man U(twice) and Liverpool (3 times), with a little bit of luck we can finish above Man U and Liverpool and perhaps Chelsea and win it. I would never want a russian to takeover Arsenal. Dein just wants to jeopardize the great start of the season we had. He could of sold his shares months ago, but he did it after a fantastick team play against sparta. Dein sorry, But some things just have to end, and why dont you try to takeover some russian club if you like them so much.

]]> by: LB http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17213 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:43:52 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17213 Phil now you say you want a more professional outlook. As far as I can see the most professional club in Europe is Arsenal. Who do u think is better run? Milan? Madrid? Barca? Be careful what you ask for, anything you get may just look right. Frankly, I am shocked that so many British people are fooled by this nonsense about takeovers being great for English football. I am not British, but if I was, I would start a protest movement to ask the government to stop it. It is disastrous, believe me. Football has never been an investor's game and it will never be. It is about passion and love. Someone at "insidearsenal.co.uk" talked about people being stuck to tradition. Well, in fact, football IS about that. In the long term, England will be the loser. You want to win, well spend what you make. If you spend beyond your means like Chelsea, you pray every day that Abramovic does not get bored and walk. If he does, that's the end of the club, a la Leeds. Man U and Liverpool are in the same position. If the profits do not grow "significantly", the Glazers cannot pay back debt and the club has to cut costs and increase ticket prices by more than this year's 14%. That means selling players. Why is this so difficult to understand??????? Phil now you say you want a more professional outlook. As far as I can see the most professional club in Europe is Arsenal. Who do u think is better run? Milan? Madrid? Barca? Be careful what you ask for, anything you get may just look right. Frankly, I am shocked that so many British people are fooled by this nonsense about takeovers being great for English football. I am not British, but if I was, I would start a protest movement to ask the government to stop it. It is disastrous, believe me. Football has never been an investor’s game and it will never be. It is about passion and love. Someone at “insidearsenal.co.uk” talked about people being stuck to tradition. Well, in fact, football IS about that. In the long term, England will be the loser. You want to win, well spend what you make. If you spend beyond your means like Chelsea, you pray every day that Abramovic does not get bored and walk. If he does, that’s the end of the club, a la Leeds. Man U and Liverpool are in the same position. If the profits do not grow “significantly”, the Glazers cannot pay back debt and the club has to cut costs and increase ticket prices by more than this year’s 14%. That means selling players. Why is this so difficult to understand???????

]]> by: les http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17212 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:42:20 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17212 Phil, apologies 4 having a pop at being a gooner, but i still think, when wenger leaves, the stadium will be paying 4 itself (hell, they MAY reduce the prices) and therefore foreign investment will not be needed. Obv. when the new manager comes in he'll have funds and (unlike wenger) spend them. but, i detest how dein has criticised the russian then joined. criticised the board, destabilised henry to some degree with his sons influence. I know we all need cash in this footballing age, but dein seems an A GRADE c***. Thats why i don't want him back. Phil, apologies 4 having a pop at being a gooner, but i still think, when wenger leaves, the stadium will be paying 4 itself (hell, they MAY reduce the prices) and therefore foreign investment will not be needed. Obv. when the new manager comes in he’ll have funds and (unlike wenger) spend them. but, i detest how dein has criticised the russian then joined. criticised the board, destabilised henry to some degree with his sons influence. I know we all need cash in this footballing age, but dein seems an A GRADE c***. Thats why i don’t want him back.

]]> by: Waleed http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17211 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:39:28 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17211 But how can u forget Dein brought our most successful manager to my club & our club Arsenal But how can u forget Dein brought our most successful manager to my club & our club Arsenal

]]> by: Wenger's Immortals http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17210 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:38:55 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17210 Why can't we move forward with Arsene Wenger and the current board? Those guys got Arsenal from Highbury to the Emirates and changed the future of the club to a much brighter one. How many people could have got the Emirates project done in the time Arsenal did? Look at the Wembley Stadium debacle! And David Dein is the man who wanted to keep Arsenal at Highbury! This guy is a complete joke. This man has no ambition no matter what his Russian company says and if they manage to take control of Arsenal then god help us. I agree with LB too - United's success was nothing to do with the Glaziers. United were lucky that Fergie managed to win the league with no players coming in, with the lack of injuries to key players and Ronaldo having a simply sensational season. I'm not taking anything away from them, but you are seriously deluded if you think the Yanks had anything to do with it. Why can’t we move forward with Arsene Wenger and the current board? Those guys got Arsenal from Highbury to the Emirates and changed the future of the club to a much brighter one.

How many people could have got the Emirates project done in the time Arsenal did? Look at the Wembley Stadium debacle!

And David Dein is the man who wanted to keep Arsenal at Highbury! This guy is a complete joke.

This man has no ambition no matter what his Russian company says and if they manage to take control of Arsenal then god help us.

I agree with LB too - United’s success was nothing to do with the Glaziers. United were lucky that Fergie managed to win the league with no players coming in, with the lack of injuries to key players and Ronaldo having a simply sensational season.

I’m not taking anything away from them, but you are seriously deluded if you think the Yanks had anything to do with it.

]]> by: DonCorleone http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17209 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:38:34 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17209 LB, very well written and explained!!! LB, very well written and explained!!!

]]> by: Phil http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17208 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:32:34 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17208 In answer to les, yes I've been a gooner since 1967 and have seen a lot of highs and lows over the years and believe me the board have never been particularly forthcoming with transfer funds. The future funding of the club may be secured by the fans continuing to fill the stadium by paying the highest ticket prices in Europe but once Arsene retires or goes elsewhere we proably won't have the same emphasis on cheap team building to stay at the top. What other top coaches in europe spend as little as Him? It will be interesting to see the figures when they are released next month. It may show a good picture at the moment but I still believe we need a more professional outlook than we currently have at bord level where they want to keep it as an old pals club. In answer to les, yes I’ve been a gooner since 1967 and have seen a lot of highs and lows over the years and believe me the board have never been particularly forthcoming with transfer funds.

The future funding of the club may be secured by the fans continuing to fill the stadium by paying the highest ticket prices in Europe but once Arsene retires or goes elsewhere we proably won’t have the same emphasis on cheap team building to stay at the top. What other top coaches in europe spend as little as Him? It will be interesting to see the figures when they are released next month. It may show a good picture at the moment but I still believe we need a more professional outlook than we currently have at bord level where they want to keep it as an old pals club.

]]> by: One_Touch_Genius http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17207 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:27:56 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17207 I don't know what to think about this really, on one hand i'd prefer Arsenal to remain the way it is and on the other hand i know that Arsenal cannot be as big as Real Madrid, Barcelona or Man Utd with the current board. I think when we were at Highbury our current board was enough but now we've moved to the Emirates (granted the current board got us there) and maybe now the board may be pushing above its weight? Personally i think DD does care about Arsenal but the difference between us and him is: we're fans who think with our hearts, he's a fan but also a business man who thinks with his head...maybe it won't be all doom and gloom I don’t know what to think about this really, on one hand i’d prefer Arsenal to remain the way it is and on the other hand i know that Arsenal cannot be as big as Real Madrid, Barcelona or Man Utd with the current board. I think when we were at Highbury our current board was enough but now we’ve moved to the Emirates (granted the current board got us there) and maybe now the board may be pushing above its weight? Personally i think DD does care about Arsenal but the difference between us and him is: we’re fans who think with our hearts, he’s a fan but also a business man who thinks with his head…maybe it won’t be all doom and gloom

]]> by: LB http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17202 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:08:42 +0000 http://www.afc4life.co.uk/2007/08/31/the-good-the-bad-the-david-dein/#comment-17202 Ian7 and Phil must hire a financial advisor to intepret the Arsenal accounts for them. But let me try. And Stu Bailey also needs a lesson in why all this is a disaster waiting to happen. Two years ago the Glazers took over Man U for some GBP800m. When that happened, it made Man U a very risky proposition because suddenly their net asset value was wiped out by GBP700m in debt and interest costs (which they did not have much of before) ballooned to GBP60m per annum. That means the club had GBP60m less to invest in players. What happened since is that the club won the league (without ANY new investment in players). The financial windfall from this plus the new TV rights deal made it possible for Man U to buy Teves, Nani, etc. The fact that they bought these players has nothing to do with the Glazers. Without the Glazers, Man U could have bought Eto'o, Kaka and Ronaldinho without raising a sweat!! Another correction, the Man U takeover did not happen because the directors wanted "new or foreign investment". It was hostile and was triggered by Ferguson's fight with some of the directors who then later sold their shares . and triggered the takeover. As for Arsenal's accounts, we are actually in a better position financially than Man U was when they were taken over. The only thing a new investor will do at Arsenal is reap the benefits of a fantastically run club historically with a great stadium, fantastic revenue and profitability, and a manager who understands the business. Explain to me then, why do you need the foreign investor? So you can have debt and have less money for transfers? That is the logical result of such a takeover: cost cuts and higher ticket prices. Do not measure the investment at Liverpool and Man U over one year, measure it over the 10 year term of the debt. Ian7 and Phil must hire a financial advisor to intepret the Arsenal accounts for them. But let me try. And Stu Bailey also needs a lesson in why all this is a disaster waiting to happen. Two years ago the Glazers took over Man U for some GBP800m. When that happened, it made Man U a very risky proposition because suddenly their net asset value was wiped out by GBP700m in debt and interest costs (which they did not have much of before) ballooned to GBP60m per annum. That means the club had GBP60m less to invest in players. What happened since is that the club won the league (without ANY new investment in players). The financial windfall from this plus the new TV rights deal made it possible for Man U to buy Teves, Nani, etc. The fact that they bought these players has nothing to do with the Glazers. Without the Glazers, Man U could have bought Eto’o, Kaka and Ronaldinho without raising a sweat!! Another correction, the Man U takeover did not happen because the directors wanted “new or foreign investment”. It was hostile and was triggered by Ferguson’s fight with some of the directors who then later sold their shares . and triggered the takeover. As for Arsenal’s accounts, we are actually in a better position financially than Man U was when they were taken over. The only thing a new investor will do at Arsenal is reap the benefits of a fantastically run club historically with a great stadium, fantastic revenue and profitability, and a manager who understands the business. Explain to me then, why do you need the foreign investor? So you can have debt and have less money for transfers? That is the logical result of such a takeover: cost cuts and higher ticket prices. Do not measure the investment at Liverpool and Man U over one year, measure it over the 10 year term of the debt.

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